Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

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Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by Richb-3 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:39 pm

According to TheMat Forum, there are 4 guys who earned spots for their conferences, who did not qualify. Unlike most weights, at 149 there are 5 slots available if he had finished 5th, I would assume his spot would be a lock, But He did lose his last match to Ogunsanya, But, also, Jimmy beat Ogunsanya earlier in the tournament and a month earlier.

He is still shown as 24 on wrestling Stat rankings. One of the other 4 guys, Yahla Thomas seems to have dropped to 40th

Had JAred Prince had 8 matches at 149, he would have likely earned an AQ, So EIWA would have had 5, 29 nationwide. So JH would be next in line.

So we should be optimistic


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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by jdalu75 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:31 am

Hoffman will have the two .700 winning percentages, probably still a top 33 RPI, possibly still a top 33 CP, so he'll be looked at for an at-large. Then the criteria change and it's anybody's guess who gets the four available spots. Two alternates are also chosen; last year one of the Army guys got in this way.


Determination of the Post-Qualifying Tournament At-Large Qualifiers --
After the qualifying tournaments the Win %, CP, and RPI are re-calculated (Mar. 11th) and the at-large pool of wrestlers are determined and selected in order to fill out the field in the NCAA tournament. All wrestlers at each weight class from the conference tournaments failing to secure automatic qualification to the NCAA tournament who have at least two of the following six criteria are in the pool and the At-Large wrestlers are then selected from this pool.
.700 winning percentage or better (against Div I opponents at weight only)
Top 33 RPI ranking (post-qualifying tournaments)
Top 33 CP ranking (Coaches' Panel post-qualifying tournaments)
.700 winning percentage or better against all competition (at weight only)
One or more wins against a wrestler who earned an AQ position at his qualifying tournament (the win can be at any point during the current season)
Placement one spot below the final AQ position at the qualifying tournament

Once the at-large pool has been determined, the following criteria are used to select At-Large wrestlers.
Head-to-head competition -- 25 percent
Quality wins -- 20 percent
CP ranking -- 15 percent
Results against common opponents -- 10 percent
RPI ranking -- 10 percent
Qualifying event placement -- 10 percent
Win percentage -- 10 percent

Between four and seven wrestlers at each weight received At-Large bids in the 2017 through 2019 tournaments; you don't know in advance who the competition is. If several top seeds at the conference tourneys fall below the AQs, they're the guys who will be getting the At-Large bids. The list of the at-large pool of wrestlers is not published but I've heard that each weight class typically has 10-15 wrestlers in the pool.
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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by gimpeltf » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:16 am

This is from SHP's list

Who earned automatic bids for their conference, but needs an at-large?
Note that the “replacement” qualifier will be in parenthesis next to the wrestler who initially earned the bid.

149: Tanner Smith, Chattanooga (Selwyn Porter, The Citadel); Jimmy Hoffman, Lehigh (Jared Prince, Navy); Max Thomsen, Northern Iowa (Greg Gaxiola, Fresno State); Yahya Thomas, Northwestern (Alex Hrisopoulos, Michigan State)
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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by whiz wit » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:22 am

Does the fact that Hoffman earned a spot for his conference give him any advantage - officially or unofficially - over wrestlers seeking an at-large but who didn't earn such a spot?
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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by lu_alum » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:35 am

whiz wit wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:22 am Does the fact that Hoffman earned a spot for his conference give him any advantage - officially or unofficially - over wrestlers seeking an at-large but who didn't earn such a spot?
It means that he will meet more of the requirements that those who did not qualify the weight for their conference.

Hoffman is fortunate that the conference tourneys did not have many major upsets. I believe SHP stated that 7 AQs will be fighting for 4 at-large berths at 125.
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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by mookie » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:02 pm

He also was royally screwed in his semis bout against Cornell. The ref with the #1 on his back (Mr. Muscles) was incompetent. Hoffman pancaked Richards to his back but was ruled out of bounds when he clearly was in bounds. Changed the entire complexion of the match. Jimmy staged a strong comeback but ran out of time.
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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by NothingMeaningful » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:15 pm

mookie wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:02 pm He also was royally screwed in his semis bout against Cornell. The ref with the #1 on his back (Mr. Muscles) was incompetent. Hoffman pancaked Richards to his back but was ruled out of bounds when he clearly was in bounds. Changed the entire complexion of the match. Jimmy staged a strong comeback but ran out of time.
That's not what happened: the ref called stalemate before Hoffman started his move. You can hear the whistle just before the move. Of course, the ref *did* miss the fact that Hoffman was pinned when Richard first got him on his back. The commentator points out that the ref was on the wrong side, but the camera was on the correct side. Now that miss changed the complexion of the match.

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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by mookie » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:23 pm

I stand corrected. Fact remains it was a crap call from the worst ref who insists on inserting himself into every match.
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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by Spladle1989 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:36 pm

The interesting thing to me about both those situations with Hoffman was that the ref seemed to blow the whistle the first time because of the movement towards a very tight area between the edge of the mat and the score table area, both wrestlers were still clearly in bounds although not by a lot.......the second time when the Cornell wrestler took Hoffman down they were in the exact same area but even more on the edge/off the mat than the Hoffman move earlier.....but the ref doesn't blow it dead probably because of what happened the first time.......
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Re: Jimmy Hoffman to Minn??

Post by NothingMeaningful » Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:13 pm

Spladle1989 wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:36 pm The interesting thing to me about both those situations with Hoffman was that the ref seemed to blow the whistle the first time because of the movement towards a very tight area between the edge of the mat and the score table area, both wrestlers were still clearly in bounds although not by a lot.......the second time when the Cornell wrestler took Hoffman down they were in the exact same area but even more on the edge/off the mat than the Hoffman move earlier.....but the ref doesn't blow it dead probably because of what happened the first time.......
The ref called the first one a stalemate before they got to the edge. It had nothing to do with the out-of-bounds area. The ref didn't call the second one because they weren't out-of-bounds. So the two instances are unrelated.
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