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by Oracle » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:41 am
mookie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:34 am
8. Ben Bishop
Different eras mean uneven standards by which to judge, and what might have statistically constituted an All-American season years ago might not even draw all-conference attention nowadays.
So in order to select the top 10 of all time, there are a number of different variables to be considered, consequently, in order to make this list, one had to have done something so impressive that he was impossible to ignore. Ben earned the NCAA Outstanding Wrestler Award in 1934 as Lehigh’s second national champion. Ben skipped the 1932 NCAAs in Indiana to win National AAUs in Madison Square Garden, beating the Navy’s best post-grad and a top European and then placed third at the Olympic Trials behind an NCAA 1st and 3rd.
Ben was undefeated in duals his final two seasons. His sole EIWA loss was the ’33 finals to Princeton’s “Hody” Hooker, which Ben avenged twice in ’34 by fall. In Bishop’s first Nationals he lost to Alan Kelley (NCAA 1,1, Oklahoma State) and Foy Stout of Southwest Oklahoma (2,3). Ben’s undefeated senior year featured more revenge -- pinning Stout in the finals to earn OW. In the semis, Bishop beat 1936 Olympic champ, Frank Lewis, Oklahoma State (NCAA 2,1), with the only takedown. At the Olympic Trials, Bishop again placed third but became the alternate.
A friend of my family BEN BISHOP, was Lehigh and Bethlehem royalty.
>>>>>> His pinning percentage was off the charts: 72% for his career!!!! soph--6 0f 10 wins, junior--7 of 11, senior--13 of 15. That's very dominant.
Some props must be given to these old timers. Doesn't matter how they would do today -- it's what they did when they competed that counts. Pinning 26 out of his 36 wins is impressive.
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by jdalu75 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:28 pm
Oracle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:41 am
>>>>>> His pinning percentage was off the charts: 72% for his career!!!! soph--6 0f 10 wins, junior--7 of 11, senior--13 of 15. That's very dominant.
Some props must be given to these old timers. Doesn't matter how they would do today -- it's what they did when they competed that counts. Pinning 26 out of his 36 wins is impressive.
Ken Bevier '19 (that's
1919) was our first 2-time EIWA champion, both after he served as a volunteer ambulance driver in WW I France. He still holds the Lehigh record for most consecutive falls, with 10. Career record: 14-1, with 12 falls.
In 1918 Penn State joined the EIWA and won six out of seven weight classes at the tournament; Bevier was the only non-PSU champ.
I guess he'll be Mookie's #7.
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by mookie » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:11 pm
There's only one #7 - Mickey Mantle.
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by Richb-3 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:29 pm
Just watched Pride of the Yankees. They did not have numbers until a couple years after Gehrig started. That is why Ruth was 3 and Lou 4. Their batting order
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by jdalu75 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:11 pm
mookie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:11 pm
There's only one #7 - Mickey Mantle.
True enough. So you're releasing #6 tomorrow?
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by lu_alum » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:47 pm
Oracle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:41 am
mookie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:34 am
8. Ben Bishop
Different eras mean uneven standards by which to judge, and what might have statistically constituted an All-American season years ago might not even draw all-conference attention nowadays.
So in order to select the top 10 of all time, there are a number of different variables to be considered, consequently, in order to make this list, one had to have done something so impressive that he was impossible to ignore. Ben earned the NCAA Outstanding Wrestler Award in 1934 as Lehigh’s second national champion. Ben skipped the 1932 NCAAs in Indiana to win National AAUs in Madison Square Garden, beating the Navy’s best post-grad and a top European and then placed third at the Olympic Trials behind an NCAA 1st and 3rd.
Ben was undefeated in duals his final two seasons. His sole EIWA loss was the ’33 finals to Princeton’s “Hody” Hooker, which Ben avenged twice in ’34 by fall. In Bishop’s first Nationals he lost to Alan Kelley (NCAA 1,1, Oklahoma State) and Foy Stout of Southwest Oklahoma (2,3). Ben’s undefeated senior year featured more revenge -- pinning Stout in the finals to earn OW. In the semis, Bishop beat 1936 Olympic champ, Frank Lewis, Oklahoma State (NCAA 2,1), with the only takedown. At the Olympic Trials, Bishop again placed third but became the alternate.
A friend of my family BEN BISHOP, was Lehigh and Bethlehem royalty.
>>>>>> His pinning percentage was off the charts: 72% for his career!!!! soph--6 0f 10 wins, junior--7 of 11, senior--13 of 15. That's very dominant.
Some props must be given to these old timers. Doesn't matter how they would do today -- it's what they did when they competed that counts. Pinning 26 out of his 36 wins is impressive.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that, in the early years, collegiate bouts were wrestled until one of the wrestlers scored a fall. If neither wrestler scored a fall, the winner was determined by time advantage. It makes sense Bishop had a high fall percentage. Bout scoring wasn’t introduced until the late 1930s or early 1940s.
Found it:
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/29 ... -Wrestling?
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by mookie » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:15 am
7. Ed Eichelberger
A 3x NCAA finalist Eddie was Lehigh’s first 2-time NCAA titlist, winning at 147. He was second at 137 in ‘54 to legendary three-time NCAA champ, Myron Roderick, Oklahoma State, who defeated him at the 1956 Olympic Trials. NCAA champion at 147 lbs. in 1955 and 1956, Eichelberger was also voted the Outstanding Wrestler in the 1955 NCAA championships.
His accomplishments at Easterns were just as impressive as he won EIWA titles in 1955 and 1956 and was named Outstanding Wrestler in each of those years. As a sophomore wrestling at 157 lbs., Eichelberger finished second at both Nationals and Easterns.
Eichelberger finished with a career record of 55-3-1, winning 94 percent of his matches with 37 falls.
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by Oracle » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:23 am
Trivia: without looking it up, how did Ike come to Lehigh?
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by gimpeltf » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:25 am
Oracle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:23 am
Trivia: without looking it up, how did Ike come to Lehigh?
US 15?
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by mookie » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:28 am
Sprig Gardner drove him in his Buick mostly on US 15.
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