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Line-up questions

Post by Oracle » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:01 am

Anyone in the know about Cornell know if Greg Diakamohalis will grey shirt at FLWC or come right in and compete?

Lajoie was coming along nicely toward the end of the year and gave Paetzell a close bout. If he's the starter then given normal underclassman improvement, it might be wise to rate his future bout with Paetzell as close, leaning Lehigh.

Other than that, based on projected line-ups, including now the loss of Weiler, makes CU the prohibitive favorite. 6-4 split, maybe 5-5 best case if someone steps up. CU favored at 133, 141, 165, 174, 184, 197. LU favored at 125, 157 and 285. Toss-up at 149.


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Re: Line-up questions

Post by Frenchie » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:15 pm

I am certainly not in the know, but have read that he's going to go to the Finger Lakes Club for a year.
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Re: Line-up questions

Post by jdalu75 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:52 pm

I think with both Cornell and Lehigh we're going to have to wait awhile to see what lineups look like. No doubt that Greg D. will be a good one, but the Cornell fans on The Mat forum insist that Arujau will be back and at 125. Doesn't seem to leave much room for LaJoie (whose brother is also on the way in), Greg D., or anyone else. Cornell has a lot of talent after four out of five strong recruiting years, but how it all fits into the lineup is the question.
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Re: Line-up questions

Post by Oracle » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:02 pm

jdalu75 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:52 pm
I think with both Cornell and Lehigh we're going to have to wait awhile to see what lineups look like. No doubt that Greg D. will be a good one, but the Cornell fans on The Mat forum insist that Arujau will be back and at 125. Doesn't seem to leave much room for LaJoie (whose brother is also on the way in), Greg D., or anyone else. Cornell has a lot of talent after four out of five strong recruiting years, but how it all fits into the lineup is the question.
>>>>>> Interesting you bring this up......years ago I postulated that Ivies could, theoretically, give 30 full-rides if their recruits projected enough 'need' based on their University-wide financial aid policy -- thus coining the phrase "9.9 is for suckers." Q: How else do you explain the generous amounts of talent that will ride the bench? A: Ivy education, high financial aid packages.-- so what if you ride the bench. In the business world it's called stock-piling.
SUNY-Ithaca doesn't hurt either.

Before any of you Cornellians blow a gasket --- yes, it's all legal and within the rules.
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Re: Line-up questions

Post by Spladle1989 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:36 pm

The general information I have received/heard is that Greg D will definitely be at Finger Lakes next year....but that was before all this started so at this point who knows?
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Re: Line-up questions

Post by JAD77 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:12 pm

Oracle wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:02 pm
Q: How else do you explain the generous amounts of talent that will ride the bench? A: Ivy education, high financial aid packages.-- so what if you ride the bench. In the business world it's called stock-piling.
A matter of semantics, but the draw isn’t the Ivy education, but the Ivy degree.
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Re: Line-up questions

Post by jdalu75 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:37 pm

JAD77 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:12 pm
Oracle wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:02 pm
Q: How else do you explain the generous amounts of talent that will ride the bench? A: Ivy education, high financial aid packages.-- so what if you ride the bench. In the business world it's called stock-piling.
A matter of semantics, but the draw isn’t the Ivy education, but the Ivy degree.
It's also a matter of how high a talent will be content to go to the Binghamton and Cornell Opens and his classes while he could have been starting at any number of other schools. We're not talking about pretty good recruits, there are Top 100s in that situation.
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Re: Line-up questions

Post by whiz wit » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:47 pm

But could it be that these kids were big stars in high school and think they can - later if not sooner - beat the competition and become the Cornell starters?
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Re: Line-up questions

Post by Oracle » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:05 am

whiz wit wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:47 pm
But could it be that these kids were big stars in high school and think they can - later if not sooner - beat the competition and become the Cornell starters?
>>>>>> Of course they think that. Only 10 start. Normally a true star recruit that can't make it into the line-up will transfer, but in this case with a better financial aid package and an Ivy *degree* there's not as much urgency to leave. Then it becomes "what we have on the shelf isn't being used against us somewhere else"

EX: Where does Jonathan Loew fit now that Max Dean is back? Add in who they recruited and he could be the odd man out -- and he's very good with nice upside as he matures.
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Re: Line-up questions

Post by jdalu75 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:50 am

Loew's one of the guys I was thinking about. He has three years of eligibility remaining, just like Jonathon Fagen. Loew is 6' 3" according to Cornell's roster, so he's not moving down to 174 (occupied by Foca, Reiniche, Berreyesa, with Gage McClenahan probably headed for FLRTC). Dean has two years remaining. Darmstadt has two years remaining. Cardenas (IM #12) has four years remaining. Ethan Hatcher (IM #44, a 220-pounder projected at 197 in college) is probably headed for FLRTC.

Cornell's depth isn't great at the upper weights, so Loew will probably be the first guy up at 184 and the second guy up at 197 in the event of illness or injury.
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