Caruso 3rd String?

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Caruso 3rd String?

Post by Mattlaubo » Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:18 pm

Flo recently did a list of All-Time lineups by state. Comprising of a starter, backup and honorable mentions. PA and Oklahoma had some unbelievable teams. NJ All-Time lineup has a bunch of Lehigh Wrestlers. The weight that I had the biggest problem with was 125. Starter was Gene Mills, NCAA (3,4,1,1) and a record of 144-5-1 with 107 career pins. Backup is Joe Dubuque NCAA ( NQ,8,1,1) and 114-18. Honorable Mentions are Caruso and Sebastian Rivera. I could see an argument putting Mills ahead of Caruso, but there is no way you can put Dubuque ahead of Caruso.

Other Lehigh Wrestlers
133 – Darry Burley – Starter
133 – Mike Frick – Honorable Mention behind Nick Suriano – Backup
174 – Jordan Kutler – Honorable Mention behind Chris Campbell – Starter and Glenn Pritzlaff – Backup
HWT – Zach Rey – Honorable Mention behind Mocco – Starter and Baumgartner - Backup


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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by mookie » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:17 pm

He is in his 70's.
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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by Oracle » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:42 pm

As good as Suriano is, I don't see him beating Frick, who would be too quick for him. IMO.

Caruso should be 1st team, sorry. As a senior, Mills was lights out, but earlier in his career he wrestled too sloppily to beat a guy as sound as Caruso. No way. IMO.

Though this has been a Kutler love-fest of late - and rightfully so, he just didn't place high enough to warrant mention on an all-time team. IMO.

Rey -- agree.

Burley -- agree.
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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by Richb-3 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:25 pm

I don't see Frick and Suriono in the same weight class, The 134 class pre 1997(?) translates to 141 today
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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by Oracle » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:49 pm

Richb-3 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:25 pm
I don't see Frick and Suriono in the same weight class, The 134 class pre 1997(?) translates to 141 today
>>>>>> Say what? Frick won his 2 titles at 134. Suriano won his title at 133. Don't over-think it.

edit: until Suriano wins a 2nd title, it's no contest.
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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by gimpeltf » Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:18 pm

Oracle wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:49 pm
Richb-3 wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:25 pm
I don't see Frick and Suriono in the same weight class, The 134 class pre 1997(?) translates to 141 today
>>>>>> Say what? Frick won his 2 titles at 134. Suriano won his title at 133. Don't over-think it.

edit: until Suriano wins a 2nd title, it's no contest.
And don't underthink it either. They added 7 pounds for a reason.
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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by JAD77 » Fri May 01, 2020 12:50 am

No way in h*ll does Suriano rate above Frick.
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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by Oracle » Fri May 01, 2020 12:22 pm

There is no way, or at least not a very convincing way, to rationalize Frick at 134 and Suriano at 133 as being in different weight classes. You can figure it any way you want, interpolate, hypothesize or just make stuff up but it's a 1 lb difference. So to most observers who are not smart enough to understand, it's basically the same weight class.

The weight class 7 lb shift took place about 25 years ago.
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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by mookie » Fri May 01, 2020 12:34 pm

Lot of great 133/134 lb wrestlers over these many years. Pound for pound it's the weight class with the best wrestlers.
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Re: Caruso 3rd String?

Post by gimpeltf » Fri May 01, 2020 12:45 pm

Oracle wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:22 pm
There is no way, or at least not a very convincing way, to rationalize Frick at 134 and Suriano at 133 as being in different weight classes. You can figure it any way you want, interpolate, hypothesize or just make stuff up but it's a 1 lb difference. So to most observers who are not smart enough to understand, it's basically the same weight class.

The weight class 7 lb shift took place about 25 years ago.
Let us know what you're smoking up there. It's still the 2nd vs 3rd weight class with roughly the same numbers having been there before and after. I don't remember many dropping to the lower weight after the change. If that were the case, the upper weights would have cleared out. It also came in with a very different weighin time frame.
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