Mount Rushmore of LU wrestling

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Mount Rushmore of LU wrestling

Post by Asa Packer » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:14 pm

A few weeks ago, there was discussion on themat.com of top 5 in CU history. After Dake, it gets tough picking 4 amongst 7-8 guys. Then someone complicated by saying Mt Rushmore (top 4). As many LU fans in that discussion as CU fans. (CU fans busy looting in Soho?)
Getting to the point, the Mount Rushmore of LU wrestling could be Caruso, Eichelberger, Burley & Mark Lieberman. Any comments?


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Re: Mount Rushmore of LU wrestling

Post by whiz wit » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:38 pm

You left out a kid who was awful frickin' good.
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Post by LU808 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:56 pm

whiz wit wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:38 pm You left out a kid who was awful frickin' good.
There's got to be room on the mountain for one more frickin' carving.
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Post by jdalu75 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:05 pm

I could make a case for Howell Scobey and Kirk Pendleton.
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Post by D3 for LU » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:20 pm

... well, somebody is going to be left off that rock! :P
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Re: Mount Rushmore of LU wrestling

Post by jdalu75 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:23 pm

Well .... if we're going to go based on most NCAA titles, there are five: Caruso 3, Eichelberger, Frick, Liebs, and Burley with two each. Burley was the only 4x finalist, Ike was a 3x finalist when three was the max, Mark was a 3x finalist, Frick was a 2x finalist and 4th. So if you're going to limit your carving to just four, on this criterion it's Caruso, Burley, Eichelberger, and Lieberman, in that order.

If you like winning percentage, the best WPs for guys who wrestled three or more seasons are Caruso 98.3, Kirk Pendleton 97.0, Burley 94.5, Ike 94.1, Rudy Ashman (our first 3x EIWA champion) 93.8, Lieberman just out of the top five at 93.4.

If you like pinners, the guys with at least half their career wins coming by falls (who also won NCAA titles) are Ike, Ben Bishop, Howell Scobey, Lieberman, and Pendleton.

In the top five on all three lists: Eichelberger. Two of three: Caruso, Lieberman, Burley, and Pendleton. All four of the second group are still living and could probably still kick my butt, so I'm not going to exclude any of them. Gotta chisel five into the stone.
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Post by jdalu75 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:40 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2o7P7MMMPY

Video of the 1962 NCAA championships. Pendleton's finals bout with Mike Natvig begins at 1:08:30. Pendleton lost 5-4; looked like he was going to pull it out at the end. This was the only time in his career that Kirk competed at 147 and it looked like he gassed against Natvig.

Wonder if he was the last Lehigh wrestler to compete bare-chested?
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Re: Mount Rushmore of LU wrestling

Post by gimpeltf » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:55 pm

For pins you forgot Bevier 12 falls in 15 bouts. (also a 93.3 wl just behind Liebs)
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Post by jdalu75 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:49 pm

gimpeltf wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:55 pm For pins you forgot Bevier 12 falls in 15 bouts. (also a 93.3 wl just behind Liebs)
Not an NCAA champion, and only competed in two seasons. Henry Matthes was 13-0 career, 7 falls, and an NCAA title. Just wrestled the one year.

Bevier still holds the Lehigh record for consecutive falls, 101 years later.
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Re: Mount Rushmore of LU wrestling

Post by Sundayamqb » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:00 pm

jdalu75 wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:49 pm
gimpeltf wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:55 pm For pins you forgot Bevier 12 falls in 15 bouts. (also a 93.3 wl just behind Liebs)
Not an NCAA champion, and only competed in two seasons. Henry Matthes was 13-0 career, 7 falls, and an NCAA title. Just wrestled the one year.

Bevier still holds the Lehigh record for consecutive falls, 101 years later.
Where can we see the video? :D
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