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Cornell just signed the 2022 #34 on the Flo big board from of all places Forest Hills, PA.....yeah I know spare me the well he could always change his mind/what does it mean shtick...better to have a verbal commit than none at all, meaning he's more likely to go there (well FLWC) than somewhere else now......Cornell is rolling in high end recruits, I would think the Yianni/Dake factor is a big draw for many young wrestlers (as well as the Ivy, and the strong history of wrestling, no I'm not touching the ag school debate).......Kid wrestled 145 as a sophomore, so guessing he ends up at around 157/165 (warning: speculation).....they have a bunch of "stud" recruits/grey shirts at those weights already.......
Interesting part is where will they all fit? Going to be interesting to see how many actually end up wrestling for Cornell and how many go elsewhere out of FLWC.......And yes this is a Lehigh board but always interesting to keep one eye on the competition........
Also interesting Wally says Lehigh recruiting 197 and heavyweight hard, would make one feel they have either Ruth or Logan penciled in to be 184 for next 4 years with Grape in the mix as a strong alternative......Haven't seen enough of Shedleski to comment on his growth/potential.......After Wood graduates you will basically have Haga, Moore,Chakif and Lacombe ( for possibly 1 more year) ? Haven't really seen enough from anyone of them to speculate on who is the favorite there......but talk about huge shoes to fill in wrestling ability and leadership......
Interesting part is where will they all fit? Going to be interesting to see how many actually end up wrestling for Cornell and how many go elsewhere out of FLWC.......And yes this is a Lehigh board but always interesting to keep one eye on the competition........
Also interesting Wally says Lehigh recruiting 197 and heavyweight hard, would make one feel they have either Ruth or Logan penciled in to be 184 for next 4 years with Grape in the mix as a strong alternative......Haven't seen enough of Shedleski to comment on his growth/potential.......After Wood graduates you will basically have Haga, Moore,Chakif and Lacombe ( for possibly 1 more year) ? Haven't really seen enough from anyone of them to speculate on who is the favorite there......but talk about huge shoes to fill in wrestling ability and leadership......
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I think when the term Whale was used it meant basically one of the top 5 or so guys in the nation, at any weight. Craig was number 1, Trenge was #2, I guess Grey was 2(Was cjeudo the same year as them). As I recall the First issue of Young Wrestler they ranked Jimmy Carr #1 and implied Mark L was #2, Hard to believe either Troy or Mike P was not ranked 5 in the nation. Both were the top guy in Pa, so to me that is an almost automatic top 5 in the nation. Was Frank Cacagnini (sp) top 5, The term whale to me implied either Blue or Sperm---- Orca was the other term used. Yoz, Burley, Ruppel Darian, Zach etc, We have a lot of guys these last 2 recruiting classes. Maybe if Ruth and Thayne Lawrence had won sr year they would have full size whalesOracle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:01 pm>>>>>>> Rich; IMO anyone who earns AA honors is a whale. But I get what you are saying about hs credentials. Still and all, under Strobel you'd have to add Cooperman, Frick and Zinck wouldn't you? Also I think Strobel recruited Zach Rey.Richb-3 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:24 pm For what its worth. I think Strobel Landed 4 whales. Trenge and Letters of course. Pirozzola, David Craig. I guess Grey would have been 5.
Frick and Mark L were Turner's whales.
I don't know that Pat has landed a Whale
Obviously a lot of Orcas (Bobby Weaver and Darian were to small to be whales)
2 Moby Dicks that I can think of Spencer Lee and Kyle Snyder. Maybe Yianni, Maybe Cael.(I really don't think any of the other 4 time NCAA guys were thought likely 4 timers.
Thad landed Pat Sculley, Kilrain, Mike Lieberman, DeStito, Yozzo, Diekel and Reilly who was a stud out of hs.
Pat landed Milonas, Meys, both Cruz boys, Kutler, Weiler -- all studs coming out of hs.
LU has always had it's share.
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Spladdke? Arrington #34? Quite possobly does not make the AA Finals next two year, with Crookham and HAines. Crookham certainly lookss like a whale
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Going by that definition, and using the current Intermat rankings/commits (which includes 2020 graduates), the EIWA whale count is
Cornell: 1, 3
Princeton: 3, 3
Lehigh: 4, 4
Navy: 3
Eight more in the top 10.
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I've made that point a couple of times and the response has always been "Ivy Degree". I wonder how many top recruits are really willing to trade a couple of years off their careers for that.Spladle1989 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:37 pm Going to be interesting to see how many actually end up wrestling for Cornell and how many go elsewhere out of FLWC
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If that's your criterion, and not what they did once they were in college, I can help provide a whale list since the early 1970s.
1972-73: Mike Frick
1974-75: Mark Lieberman
1978-79: Bob Weaver
1979-80: Tom Bold
1999-00: Jon Trenge (Intermat Top 25, #2 at 189)
2000-01: Mike Pirozzola (IM Top 25, #2 at 145)
2001-02: Troy Letters IM #3
2006-07: David Craig IM #1
2011-12: Mason Beckman IM #6 (near miss)
It's a short list.
For comparison, here's Cornell's Whale List, beginning with the era when Intermat rankings were available.
2005-06: Troy Nickerson IM #3
2006-07: Mike Grey IM #3
2009-10: Kyle Dake IM #4
2010-11: Chris Villalonga IM #3
2010-11: Marshall Peppelman IM #4
2012-13: Alex Cisneros IM #5
2017-18: Yianni Diakomihalis IM #2
2017-18: Vitali Arujau IM #3
2019-20: Julian Ramirez IM #5
For those wondering, Travis Lee was the 4th best recruit at 130 in 2001-02; Mike Mormile was considered to be a better recruit (#1 at 112).
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Accoding to Flo's final 2018-2019 rankings per weight class:jdalu75 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:06 amIf that's your criterion, and not what they did once they were in college, I can help provide a whale list since the early 1970s.
1972-73: Mike Frick
1974-75: Mark Lieberman
1978-79: Bob Weaver
1979-80: Tom Bold
1999-00: Jon Trenge (Intermat Top 25, #2 at 189)
2000-01: Mike Pirozzola (IM Top 25, #2 at 145)
2001-02: Troy Letters IM #3
2006-07: David Craig IM #1
2011-12: Mason Beckman IM #6 (near miss)
It's a short list.
For comparison, here's Cornell's Whale List, beginning with the era when Intermat rankings were available.
2005-06: Troy Nickerson IM #3
2006-07: Mike Grey IM #3
2009-10: Kyle Dake IM #4
2010-11: Chris Villalonga IM #3
2010-11: Marshall Peppelman IM #4
2012-13: Alex Cisneros IM #5
2017-18: Yianni Diakomihalis IM #2
2017-18: Vitali Arujau IM #3
2019-20: Julian Ramirez IM #5
For those wondering, Travis Lee was the 4th best recruit at 130 in 2001-02; Mike Mormile was considered to be a better recruit (#1 at 112).
#5 Josh Saunders
#4 Chris Foca
#1 Jacob Cardenas
2017-2018:
#5 Andrew Merola
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Trenge was #2 at 189 behind Hahn, But on at least one ranking ws #2 overall behind Hahn. So Truly a Whale
Obviously Weaver would have been @1 HS in the country, had he been expected to gain a dozen pounds by sophomore year. But that was not expected, Nor did it happen. I am of course thinking collegiate results, we all thought him a likely world or olympic medalist
When He signed Pirozzola was undefeated and OW his Jr year. He did lose a bout, then later the OW to Letters, so he maybe dropped out of the top 5 as a Sr
Interesting that Bold was top 5. OW as a HS sr. basically one move for his 4 wins and pins. Don't think he placed otherwise. I could have seen him 2nd ranked on his Becahi team, behind Rich Santoro,
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Who are our current #4s? I guess among Kutler, Wood, Karam. Wood would have been somewhat problematic, as he was ranked behind a younger HWT by his Sr HS Year
Obviously Weaver would have been @1 HS in the country, had he been expected to gain a dozen pounds by sophomore year. But that was not expected, Nor did it happen. I am of course thinking collegiate results, we all thought him a likely world or olympic medalist
When He signed Pirozzola was undefeated and OW his Jr year. He did lose a bout, then later the OW to Letters, so he maybe dropped out of the top 5 as a Sr
Interesting that Bold was top 5. OW as a HS sr. basically one move for his 4 wins and pins. Don't think he placed otherwise. I could have seen him 2nd ranked on his Becahi team, behind Rich Santoro,
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Who are our current #4s? I guess among Kutler, Wood, Karam. Wood would have been somewhat problematic, as he was ranked behind a younger HWT by his Sr HS Year
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