Week-End Salvo -Special Early East Coast Edition

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Re: Week-End Salvo -Special Early East Coast Edition

Post by van » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:09 pm

mookie wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:49 pm Pat Sculley...and Tom.

Pat was actually better than Tom but wasn't much of a student.
I can identify with that :D


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Post by mookie » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:14 pm

Me too.
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Post by Spladle1989 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:37 pm

Cornell just signed the 2022 #34 on the Flo big board from of all places Forest Hills, PA.....yeah I know spare me the well he could always change his mind/what does it mean shtick...better to have a verbal commit than none at all, meaning he's more likely to go there (well FLWC) than somewhere else now......Cornell is rolling in high end recruits, I would think the Yianni/Dake factor is a big draw for many young wrestlers (as well as the Ivy, and the strong history of wrestling, no I'm not touching the ag school debate).......Kid wrestled 145 as a sophomore, so guessing he ends up at around 157/165 (warning: speculation).....they have a bunch of "stud" recruits/grey shirts at those weights already.......

Interesting part is where will they all fit? Going to be interesting to see how many actually end up wrestling for Cornell and how many go elsewhere out of FLWC.......And yes this is a Lehigh board but always interesting to keep one eye on the competition........

Also interesting Wally says Lehigh recruiting 197 and heavyweight hard, would make one feel they have either Ruth or Logan penciled in to be 184 for next 4 years with Grape in the mix as a strong alternative......Haven't seen enough of Shedleski to comment on his growth/potential.......After Wood graduates you will basically have Haga, Moore,Chakif and Lacombe ( for possibly 1 more year) ? Haven't really seen enough from anyone of them to speculate on who is the favorite there......but talk about huge shoes to fill in wrestling ability and leadership......
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Re: Week-End Salvo -Special Early East Coast Edition

Post by Richb-3 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:54 pm

Oracle wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:01 pm
Richb-3 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:24 pm For what its worth. I think Strobel Landed 4 whales. Trenge and Letters of course. Pirozzola, David Craig. I guess Grey would have been 5.

Frick and Mark L were Turner's whales.

I don't know that Pat has landed a Whale

Obviously a lot of Orcas (Bobby Weaver and Darian were to small to be whales)

2 Moby Dicks that I can think of Spencer Lee and Kyle Snyder. Maybe Yianni, Maybe Cael.(I really don't think any of the other 4 time NCAA guys were thought likely 4 timers.
>>>>>>> Rich; IMO anyone who earns AA honors is a whale. But I get what you are saying about hs credentials. Still and all, under Strobel you'd have to add Cooperman, Frick and Zinck wouldn't you? Also I think Strobel recruited Zach Rey.

Thad landed Pat Sculley, Kilrain, Mike Lieberman, DeStito, Yozzo, Diekel and Reilly who was a stud out of hs.

Pat landed Milonas, Meys, both Cruz boys, Kutler, Weiler -- all studs coming out of hs.

LU has always had it's share.
I think when the term Whale was used it meant basically one of the top 5 or so guys in the nation, at any weight. Craig was number 1, Trenge was #2, I guess Grey was 2(Was cjeudo the same year as them). As I recall the First issue of Young Wrestler they ranked Jimmy Carr #1 and implied Mark L was #2, Hard to believe either Troy or Mike P was not ranked 5 in the nation. Both were the top guy in Pa, so to me that is an almost automatic top 5 in the nation. Was Frank Cacagnini (sp) top 5, The term whale to me implied either Blue or Sperm---- Orca was the other term used. Yoz, Burley, Ruppel Darian, Zach etc, We have a lot of guys these last 2 recruiting classes. Maybe if Ruth and Thayne Lawrence had won sr year they would have full size whales
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Post by Richb-3 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:04 pm

Spladdke? Arrington #34? Quite possobly does not make the AA Finals next two year, with Crookham and HAines. Crookham certainly lookss like a whale
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Re: Week-End Salvo -Special Early East Coast Edition

Post by NothingMeaningful » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:41 pm

Richb-3 wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:54 pm

I think when the term Whale was used it meant basically one of the top 5 or so guys in the nation, at any weight.
Going by that definition, and using the current Intermat rankings/commits (which includes 2020 graduates), the EIWA whale count is

Cornell: 1, 3
Princeton: 3, 3
Lehigh: 4, 4
Navy: 3

Eight more in the top 10.
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Post by jdalu75 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:46 am

Spladle1989 wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:37 pm Going to be interesting to see how many actually end up wrestling for Cornell and how many go elsewhere out of FLWC
I've made that point a couple of times and the response has always been "Ivy Degree". I wonder how many top recruits are really willing to trade a couple of years off their careers for that.
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Post by jdalu75 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:06 am

Richb-3 wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:54 pm I think when the term Whale was used it meant basically one of the top 5 or so guys in the nation, at any weight.
If that's your criterion, and not what they did once they were in college, I can help provide a whale list since the early 1970s.

1972-73: Mike Frick
1974-75: Mark Lieberman
1978-79: Bob Weaver
1979-80: Tom Bold
1999-00: Jon Trenge (Intermat Top 25, #2 at 189)
2000-01: Mike Pirozzola (IM Top 25, #2 at 145)
2001-02: Troy Letters IM #3
2006-07: David Craig IM #1
2011-12: Mason Beckman IM #6 (near miss)

It's a short list.

For comparison, here's Cornell's Whale List, beginning with the era when Intermat rankings were available.

2005-06: Troy Nickerson IM #3
2006-07: Mike Grey IM #3
2009-10: Kyle Dake IM #4
2010-11: Chris Villalonga IM #3
2010-11: Marshall Peppelman IM #4
2012-13: Alex Cisneros IM #5
2017-18: Yianni Diakomihalis IM #2
2017-18: Vitali Arujau IM #3
2019-20: Julian Ramirez IM #5

For those wondering, Travis Lee was the 4th best recruit at 130 in 2001-02; Mike Mormile was considered to be a better recruit (#1 at 112).
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Re: Week-End Salvo -Special Early East Coast Edition

Post by NothingMeaningful » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:29 am

jdalu75 wrote: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:06 am
Richb-3 wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:54 pm I think when the term Whale was used it meant basically one of the top 5 or so guys in the nation, at any weight.
If that's your criterion, and not what they did once they were in college, I can help provide a whale list since the early 1970s.

1972-73: Mike Frick
1974-75: Mark Lieberman
1978-79: Bob Weaver
1979-80: Tom Bold
1999-00: Jon Trenge (Intermat Top 25, #2 at 189)
2000-01: Mike Pirozzola (IM Top 25, #2 at 145)
2001-02: Troy Letters IM #3
2006-07: David Craig IM #1
2011-12: Mason Beckman IM #6 (near miss)

It's a short list.

For comparison, here's Cornell's Whale List, beginning with the era when Intermat rankings were available.

2005-06: Troy Nickerson IM #3
2006-07: Mike Grey IM #3
2009-10: Kyle Dake IM #4
2010-11: Chris Villalonga IM #3
2010-11: Marshall Peppelman IM #4
2012-13: Alex Cisneros IM #5
2017-18: Yianni Diakomihalis IM #2
2017-18: Vitali Arujau IM #3
2019-20: Julian Ramirez IM #5

For those wondering, Travis Lee was the 4th best recruit at 130 in 2001-02; Mike Mormile was considered to be a better recruit (#1 at 112).
Accoding to Flo's final 2018-2019 rankings per weight class:
#5 Josh Saunders
#4 Chris Foca
#1 Jacob Cardenas

2017-2018:
#5 Andrew Merola
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Re: Week-End Salvo -Special Early East Coast Edition

Post by Richb-3 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:46 am

Trenge was #2 at 189 behind Hahn, But on at least one ranking ws #2 overall behind Hahn. So Truly a Whale

Obviously Weaver would have been @1 HS in the country, had he been expected to gain a dozen pounds by sophomore year. But that was not expected, Nor did it happen. I am of course thinking collegiate results, we all thought him a likely world or olympic medalist

When He signed Pirozzola was undefeated and OW his Jr year. He did lose a bout, then later the OW to Letters, so he maybe dropped out of the top 5 as a Sr

Interesting that Bold was top 5. OW as a HS sr. basically one move for his 4 wins and pins. Don't think he placed otherwise. I could have seen him 2nd ranked on his Becahi team, behind Rich Santoro,

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Who are our current #4s? I guess among Kutler, Wood, Karam. Wood would have been somewhat problematic, as he was ranked behind a younger HWT by his Sr HS Year
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