The Mousetrap

[jdalu75]

I found this video last night while I was looking for something else. Freshman Tom Bold vs. Temple Senior Doug Parise (2x EIWA champ, OW, NCAA 4th), 2/16/1980 (when Stabler and Gimp were brand new).

You need to watch the entire bout to see the 'trap spring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPas-v06ydQ

[gimpeltf]

2/16/1980 (when Stabler and Gimp were brand new).

??? I'm older than you are.

[mookie]

It was lethal and I've never seen it used since Bold.

[jdalu75]

2/16/1980 (when Stabler and Gimp were brand new).

??? I'm older than you are.

I was at that dual but not seen in the video; I thought the young guy with all the hair behind the scorers' table was you.

[gimpeltf]

2/16/1980 (when Stabler and Gimp were brand new).

??? I'm older than you are.

I was at that dual but not seen in the video; I thought the young guy with all the hair behind the scorers' table was you.

That was me. I did the scoring for a few years before I did the PA on a regular basis starting around '85. Ted Hartman was the regular PA until I did it and was when I was in school. This was Bill McCoach. Ted normally went on vacation around this time frame and someone would fill in. Sometimes Don Sayenga, sometimes me and apparently sometimes Bill.
Doesn't change my being older though.

[Richb-3]

It was lethal and I've never seen it used since Bold.

I certainly see it in HS matches, but no one does it all that regularly. Nothing like bold it using it 4 times in 4 bouts at states to get 4 pins and the OW. OK, he didn;t pin in the Semi's

[TMH]

I was always fascinated with the cement job and all it's variations. I assume, it began during the Don Rohn era at Northampton HS but quickly spread throughout the LV. Northampton produced a lot of state champions during that era using it but most had little success at the collegiate level. I was told you couldn't survive on "sucker moves" in college and that's probably true if that's all you have.

However, mastering those moves, and then pulling them out when needed seems to be a really prudent strategy. Famously, it led to one Lehigh Valley product winning a National Championship (Rohn) and another becoming an 2 X NCAA All-American (Stuart) with a modest career record of 66-47.

I haven't seen it used all that much recently. Has everyone learned how to defend it or has it had it's time?

[gimpeltf]

Probably actually started when he coached at Hazlelton. He used a simplified version of it himself in HS. I believe he called it either double trouble or double double. It was just an inside tie front head and arm that as strong as he was led to punching over with the underhook. Then Schalles did the rest while they were at Clarion. The name was simply that there are a number of cement plants near Northampton. He once told those of us listening to his clinic he would have called it a Coal Job at Hazleton if he had been there longer.

[jdalu75]

However, mastering those moves, and then pulling them out when needed seems to be a really prudent strategy. Famously, it led to one Lehigh Valley product winning a National Championship (Rohn)

I remember Rob saying afterwards that the last time he tried a cement job before the NCAA finals was early in his high school career -- he missed the hold and wound up being pinned. He gave a lot of credit for his win to Kerry McCoy drilling with him: "20 seconds to go and you're down by 6; what do you do?"

BTW I recently saw an account of the Rohn win at the time, by a writer without a Lehigh connection who felt that the second two near falls by Lambrecht were bogus -- the hold hadn't been released, so all three exposures were the result of one hold. I remember some of us grumbling at the time, but we weren't the only ones.

[gimpeltf]

I remember thinking the same thing about the multiple near falls. He never let go of one arm. Jack Spates strenuously objected when I brought it up to him once a while later.

I was working the computers that event. Rob always took about an hour to cool down. After the semi-final session (Jessman Smith) I was walking the inner hallway (mostly offices and storage) going back to where ever we met and snacked between rounds. He was stretching in one of the open storage areas. He saw me coming and smiled. I looked at him and said- "You don't have a cement job!". He laughed and said I was right. He tried it a few times without much success but he did keep it in his back pocket.