Pre-allocated spots

[jdalu75]

The EIWA received 45, about as expected. It's technically 10 + 35 -- 10 automatics for the champions, 35 that will be awarded but have to be earned by wrestlers with a minimum four bouts at weight.

125: 3
133: 3
141: 5
149: 4
157: 5
165: 5
174: 5
184: 6
197: 5
285: 4

At EIWAs true 4th (149, 285) and 6th place (184) bouts are possible.

[NothingMeaningful]

The EIWA received 45, about as expected. It's technically 10 + 35 -- 10 automatics for the champions, 35 that will be awarded but have to be earned by wrestlers with a minimum four bouts at weight.

125: 3
133: 3
141: 5
149: 4
157: 5
165: 5
174: 5
184: 6
197: 5
285: 4

At EIWAs true 4th (149, 285) and 6th place (184) bouts are possible.

Expected in that they used the results of the past five years to determine the allocation. Had they used this year's results only, the EIWA would deserve about 15 slots. I predict that Iowa and PSU both will outscore the entire EIWA at NCAAs, and that both will have at least as many champions as the EIWA has AAs.

[whiz wit]

The EIWA received 45, about as expected. It's technically 10 + 35 -- 10 automatics for the champions, 35 that will be awarded but have to be earned by wrestlers with a minimum four bouts at weight.

125: 3
133: 3
141: 5
149: 4
157: 5
165: 5
174: 5
184: 6
197: 5
285: 4

At EIWAs true 4th (149, 285) and 6th place (184) bouts are possible.

Expected in that they used the results of the past five years to determine the allocation. Had they used this year's results only, the EIWA would deserve about 15 slots. I predict that Iowa and PSU both will outscore the entire EIWA at NCAAs, and that both will have at least as many champions as the EIWA has AAs.

Sour grapes from the fan whose team will be watching from home.

[Richb-3]

With 10 man brackets, even with only 9 or 8 , the only top 6 guys who could have fewer than 4 bouts in the tournament are the finalists, assuming a fft, medical or otherwise counts as a bout.

[mookie]

A Spooky Nook championship may be more prestigious than an NCAA title.

[jdalu75]

With 10 man brackets, even with only 9 or 8 , the only top 6 guys who could have fewer than 4 bouts in the tournament are the finalists, assuming a fft, medical or otherwise counts as a bout.

But it's also possible for a 3rd or 5th placer to wrestle six in one day. We had to jiggle the consolations to make sure no one wrestles more than 5, to leave open the sixth bout for true placement bouts.

[NothingMeaningful]

The EIWA received 45, about as expected. It's technically 10 + 35 -- 10 automatics for the champions, 35 that will be awarded but have to be earned by wrestlers with a minimum four bouts at weight.

125: 3
133: 3
141: 5
149: 4
157: 5
165: 5
174: 5
184: 6
197: 5
285: 4

At EIWAs true 4th (149, 285) and 6th place (184) bouts are possible.

Expected in that they used the results of the past five years to determine the allocation. Had they used this year's results only, the EIWA would deserve about 15 slots. I predict that Iowa and PSU both will outscore the entire EIWA at NCAAs, and that both will have at least as many champions as the EIWA has AAs.

Sour grapes from the fan whose team will be watching from home.

Not really. It's the B1G fans who are short-changed: go find the list of ranked wrestlers in the B1G (about 20) and in the EIWA (one) who won't qualify if they wrestle to seed.

[Richb-3]

With 10 man brackets, even with only 9 or 8 , the only top 6 guys who could have fewer than 4 bouts in the tournament are the finalists, assuming a fft, medical or otherwise counts as a bout.

But it's also possible for a 3rd or 5th placer to wrestle six in one day. We had to jiggle the consolations to make sure no one wrestles more than 5, to leave open the sixth bout for true placement bouts.

I thought I got that nonsense stopped after 98 & 99 nationals when 2 guys in 34 man brackets went 9-1.
(one was from PSU at CSU, Lange I think)

Actually though PIAA had it all wrong the first year there were 20 man brackets.

10-20-40 man brackets good. 12-24-48 man brackets bad. Look at the California, 40 man bracket done right. If you have no more than 1/5 of the guys from any qualifier, you can put that first level of wrestlebacks within each sub-5 man sub bracket, and everything becomes a lot easier

[gimpeltf]

With 10 man brackets, even with only 9 or 8 , the only top 6 guys who could have fewer than 4 bouts in the tournament are the finalists, assuming a fft, medical or otherwise counts as a bout.

But it's also possible for a 3rd or 5th placer to wrestle six in one day. We had to jiggle the consolations to make sure no one wrestles more than 5, to leave open the sixth bout for true placement bouts.

I thought I got that nonsense stopped after 98 & 99 nationals when 2 guys in 34 man brackets went 9-1.
(one was from PSU at CSU, Lange I think)

Actually though PIAA had it all wrong the first year there were 20 man brackets.

10-20-40 man brackets good. 12-24-48 man brackets bad. Look at the California, 40 man bracket done right. If you have no more than 1/5 of the guys from any qualifier, you can put that first level of wrestlebacks within each sub-5 man sub bracket, and everything becomes a lot easier

The two older problems you mention crop up when there is a certain symmetry in the brackets as regards pig tails. It would be like having two pigtails right next to each other leading into the same bout with byes everywhere else. I don't remember making a change to prevent the NCAA one.

[Richb-3]

I thought you resolved it. But maybe I never noticed it again, because those 9-1 occurrences are pretty rare. But I will take a look to see if it could have happened again.

The way Pa worked the first year or two. The pigtail winner always had 3 bouts in the first session, unless he upset the regional champ.