LU v Penn

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Re: LU v Penn

Post by DF2002 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:52 pm

whiz wit wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:18 am WS has Penn beating LU 18-12 (even with IV in the lineup).
Some of its matchups just do not make sense. The majority of toss-ups break against us… The prediction over IV is a real head scratcher.

I’m with @jdalu75.


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Re: LU v Penn

Post by Toast » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:31 am

DF2002 wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:52 pmThe prediction over IV is a real head scratcher.
Artalona? 4x FL state champ? Multiple time Fargo champ? Blood round as a true freshman? Seems reasonable to me, even if he's yet to hit his stride this year.

Anyway, Penn just happens to match up really well with Lehigh.

125 - Penn decision
133 - Penn decision
141 - Penn decision
149 - Penn decision
157 - Lehigh decision
165 - Penn decision
174 - Penn decision
184 - Lehigh decision
197 - Penn decision
285 - Lehigh decision
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Re: LU v Penn

Post by Spladle1989 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:42 am

Interesting Artalona is back at 149 after being pretty successful at 157 before covid/injury hit (was 14-6 in 2020 before covid and injury).....he beat Brignola this year 6-3 at 149.....

If I had to place a betting line between him and a fully healthy MB4 I would call match a tossup, with MB4 out a few weeks due to injury if MB4 wrestles I would have to favor Artalona at this point.....Artalona 5-2 on the year with his only losses to Bartlett in SV1 and Austin Gomez (Currently ranked 8th)
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Re: LU v Penn

Post by Oracle » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:00 pm

Agree with Spladdle but in my view, coach Reina convinced him his ceiling at 149 is higher. Gomez cleaned his clock in their bout but that happens.

As for the ubiquitous Toast's predictions, well it could happen but it would be best case scenario and in Grace Hall -- so I don't see that happening.

125: Lane has a fall against Miller but that was then. Miller has picked up the pace and Lane has struggled. Should now be considered a toss-up leaning to UPenn
133: An intriguing bout. I saw Hines wrestle a careless bout against Fix (who is a killer and a finisher) and he paid for it. However, rankings aside, this is another toss-up but leaning to Lehigh
141: CJ Composto is for real. McGonagle can win but needs to be able to go the full 7 not like he did in Stillwater. Yet another toss-up but not leaning anywhere. Pick 'em
149: Artalona will be the favorite. No word on Manzona. UPenn favored in this bout against anyone from LU
157: Swing match for sure -- Zapf gave Humphreys his lone loss this year but if my memory serves, Josh was way ahead early. Based on what we're seeing recently, Humphreys will be solidly favored
165: Another toss-up but in my view, the tougher schedule favors Meyer -- leaning to Lehigh
174: Incontrera is solid. Logan is unpredictable. Another toss-up. Pick 'em
184: Antrassian - Burkhart is another toss-up. Pick 'em
197: Urbas will be favored over TJ Davis but still might be a winnable bout for LU -- leaning UPenn
285" Jordan Wood is solidly favored over Goldin.

Should be a lot of fun for the fans with tons of competitive bouts.
Lehigh favored = 2
UPenn favored = 1
Toss-ups leaning Lehigh = 1
Toss-ups leaning UPenn = 2
Pick 'em (too close to call) = 3
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Re: LU v Penn

Post by jdalu75 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:35 pm

Oracle wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:00 pm Lehigh favored = 2
UPenn favored = 1
Toss-ups leaning Lehigh = 1
Toss-ups leaning UPenn = 2
Pick 'em (too close to call) = 3
So then it should come down to the 10th bout.
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Re: LU v Penn

Post by Oracle » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:38 am

Yes, most likely.

Roger Reina hasn't been 'quietly' rebuilding -- he has signed state champs from all over (NJ, FL, OH, PA) -- he knows how it's done because he's done it before. Artalona isn't at 149, IMO, for any other reason than Roger thinks that's where he'll score the most NCAA points. Coach Reina wants to get back to the national scene and he's headed that way. He's got Brandon Slay and Mark Hall in that room to mentor his guys -- does that sound like he just wants to be "good?".....BTW, Futtrell and Pearsall are also nice assistants.

UPenn matches up well with LU. This will be a dog fight.

Next weekend, the main battle will be with UPenn as I don't see Army matching up well with us and IMO that dual will not be close.
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Re: LU v Penn

Post by Spladle1989 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:13 pm

There could be another reason and that could be he couldn't beat Zapf at 157, Zapf moved up 2 weight classes since the last Penn season... Might have come down to who wins in the room for 157 versus 149, they are the same year (b0th had 2019 as first collegiate season).......either way they are both doing well at their "new" weights......

I feel pretty confident with Josh winning the rematch against Zapf, he did dominate before the injury of some kind at Journeyman...
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Re: LU v Penn

Post by Oracle » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:51 pm

Could be. But I'd wager they all sat down to discuss it and decided before any ranking bout was necessary. Zapf may have outgrown 149 whereas Artalona didn't. And you may be right --- perhaps Zapf got to choose where to go because he was beating Artalona in the room. Zapf has really filled out and 157 seems to suit him. Also makes Artalona a pretty fair-sized 149 doesn't it?

This dual scares me and not because it's a 'trap' dual -- because UPenn is good and matches up well with us. Your thoughts on that?
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Re: LU v Penn

Post by NothingMeaningful » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:05 pm

Oracle wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:51 pm Could be. But I'd wager they all sat down to discuss it and decided before any ranking bout was necessary. Zapf may have outgrown 149 whereas Artalona didn't. And you may be right --- perhaps Zapf got to choose where to go because he was beating Artalona in the room. Zapf has really filled out and 157 seems to suit him. Also makes Artalona a pretty fair-sized 149 doesn't it?

This dual scares me and not because it's a 'trap' dual -- because UPenn is good and matches up well with us. Your thoughts on that?
Artalona loses just now to Brown wrestler who was pinned by Yianni.
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Re: LU v Penn

Post by jdalu75 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:07 pm

Penn-Brown right now: https://twitter.com/PennWrestling

Princeton-Harvard right now: https://twitter.com/tigerwrestling?ref_ ... r%5Eauthor

Composto won in OT against Levine. Blake Saito beat Artalona.
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