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Re: Transfer portal

Post by HFO » Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:27 pm

Justafan wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:01 pm There is some irony to this line of thought. We are all in agreement that our real strength was at the beginning and end of our lineup. We are also in agreement that the area of 165-184 was the real weakness. As to the latter, we had a 2X NJ State Champion, a 2X New York State Champion, a 2X PA State Champion and a National Prep 6,3,1,2 on the roster, not to mention a 2X PA State Champion who is no longer with the program. It seems that a lack of recruiting of highly credentialed wrestlers in those weights was not a problem. Unfortunately, there are always other factors that are beyond our control in play.
War is the norm. Peace is anomaly.
The same can be said for State Champions. For top teams, they all have State Champions, few will go onto All-American or National Champions. They are the anomalies. We are getting few anomalies in that weight class range.

The recruiting is good. The translation to performance at collegiate level is both on athlete and coaching. Why is it working for lightweights and heavy? Why not the middles? Hopefully a younger athlete like Labriola around can close that gap for any wrestlers in room or coming to room.

Again, I hit on it about US Open and now Olympic Trials. LVWC is not getting the elite athletes. I rather see them spend the money on a single athlete who can make a Finals than 6 athletes who lose in the 1st or 2nd round at US Open and Olympic Trials. Having more elite athletes takes the eco-cluster of wrestling in the Lehigh Valley to a higher level.

Interesting that Darian will be the Olympian, but representing Puerto Rico. Hopefully he does well and helps elevate the LVWC brand.

All these issues are fine tuning to the new environment of college wrestling. What it takes to be Top 10 is a hell of a lot different than what it takes to be 11-20.

No different for hospital systems. LVHN was nothing when ASH was created. Now Lehigh Valley has two hospital systems in LVHN and St. Luke's that are Top 40 caliber. The effort was put in to always be expanding and improving the medical-eco cluster of the region. DeSales bought in early and added Physician's Assistant Programs and other allied health. LVHN partnered with U of South Florida to have satellite medical school. Now Lehigh has College of Health, probably wrong format, but emerging as a woke health policy culture there, rather than clinical medical research or medical engineering whereby in 10-20 years it could emerge as a Medical School. The only missing part in Lehigh Valley is no College of Pharmacy which would have been a much better choice at Lehigh than a College of Health Population. With Lehigh's strength in biology, chemistry, biochemistry, and chemical engineering, Lehigh could have established a College of Pharmacy that would be immediately competitive and in the greater pharm-eco cluster of NJ and eastern PA. Wilkes did it way ahead of Lehigh.

The greatest hurdle is that Lehigh at top level lacks long-term strategic thinking. It hires weak Presidents with lack of vision and who are there just to collect a paycheck in a progression from Dean, Provost and then find a Presidency. The university board is weak with wrong amalgamation of membership that do little to nothing from a long-term strategic perspective of Lehigh, Lehigh Valley and the role of tertiary education and contribution of research to the greater community, nation and world.

Pat is caught dead in the middle with an AD who has stayed on too long. Lehigh as an institution continues to hold onto the residential undergraduate collegiate model. It engages in only incremental add on to show that it is doing something, but not something strategic and game changing of keeping the slide of Lehigh in academic output and reputation as a research university. Athletics Department follows the same model. Pat incrementally gets money, but as many of you point out, it will take a different mindset for a Top 10 NCAA Program. The same is true for Lehigh Lacrosse Program. It can crack Top 20, but it does not have the firepower of resources to compete for a Top 10. Lehigh football not even in the ballpark for FCS.

So hopefully we all get a little bit of what we want going forward out the university. Pat is under resourced. It is the premier program in athletics at Lehigh. Support of the administration at the top to acknowledge we will strive to be a Top 10 team in Wrestling. Add preferred special admission class and set the minimum standard to meet for an elite athlete to come to Lehigh. Raise the money for NIL. Utilize grad transfers. Just because they come does not mean they start. Everyone has to earn their spot every year. Generally, the grad transfers who have come did start because they had the mindset that if they came they would start. They made it happen and they have been very useful in past whether Peppleman, Martinez, Samuelson, Hyman, Goldstein. It used to be rare, but it is a new era in NCAA where you have to take advantage of grad transfers in any sport.


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Re: Transfer portal

Post by Justafan » Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:15 pm

Just checking out the playing field that Joe and Pat are operating on

Results of the NCAA Tournament

School Undergraduate Enrollment
Penn St 42,223 (Main Campus)
Cornell 15,735
Michigan 32,645
Iowa State 30,177
Iowa 21,973
Arizona St 75,492
Virginia Tech 30,434
Ohio State 46,123
Nebraska 19,189
Oklahoma St 20,801
Missouri 23,752
NC State 27,317
South Dakota St 9,921
Northern Iowa 7,739
Lehigh 5,624

The top 15 teams are comprised of 13 public universities, 1 Private/Public (Cornell) and Lehigh the only purely private school.

Anyone notice a pattern? Every one of these schools have a significant advantage over Lehigh. Public funding for facilities, coaching, training partners etc. Cheaper tuition, easier academic requirements at large, public universities. We've been through all this before. Now is this NIL era, add on average 5 X the alumni base just looking to use an athlete's name, image and likeness on his billboards. This isn't the old days. Smaller programs have since de-emphasized or dropped the sport and larger programs in the Big 10 and ACC have added major funding.

To any non-partisan outside observer, I would think Lehigh would be held in high esteem for what we accomplished this year.
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Re: Transfer portal

Post by LUEngineer » Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:36 pm

Interesting perspective Justafan!!

Only truly private school in the top 15. Any others in the Top 20?

To those advocating grad transfers, give me a name in the portal that can have a realistic probability to add AA points next year that move us up the leaderboard?
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Re: Transfer portal

Post by Justafan » Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:18 pm

LUEngineer wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:36 pm Interesting perspective Justafan!!

Only truly private school in the top 15. Any others in the Top 20?

To those advocating grad transfers, give me a name in the portal that can have a realistic probability to add AA points next year that move us up the leaderboard?
Stanford (#16) is the only other private school in the Top 25. Then you have to go as a far #30 to get to Campbell and Columbia.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/1 ... tournament
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Re: Transfer portal

Post by LUEngineer » Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:49 am

Impressive indeed but we still must figure out how to get back to the Top 10 despite the tough landscape.

Bringing in transfer portal one year #20-30 ranked guys is not the answer.

We must sell the uniqueness of our program which you have pointed out & the success of our graduates citing the WSJ rankings. We now have an NIL program in addition to St Luke’s & Hotel Bethlehem programs.

We are in the game albeit at a different level of support but we have other things to sell to true student athletes & must maximize that sale.
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Re: Transfer portal

Post by Oracle » Tue Apr 23, 2024 8:37 am

All true. Everything LUEngineer says. Oh, but if it were so when it comes to selling the uniqueness of the program.

IMO, Pat and his staff do a great job with what they have. Truly remarkable in fact. Many have developed nicely. But not enough.

But after seeing the list and understanding the Power these Schools have in terms or resources (money) et al, 'selling our brand' is more a notion than a reality. N- I - L >>>> when you talk about landscape, it starts with recruiting and recruiting starts with NIL these days. Is FL Guy right? Should the funds come from LVWC? Maybe. Ideally, there are enough Angel Investors to fund Lehigh's wrestling NIL collective separately from the RTC. It'll take $500K a year *minimum* to get back into the top 10. IMO.
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Re: Transfer portal

Post by LUEngineer » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:21 am

Agree with Oracle that it will take all of us funding AI but we need to couple that with “branding” as the dollars will likely not be able nor want to match the big guys.

Justafan has awakened me to the power of Lehigh and Stanford as the only truly private schools competing in the Top 25. To associate with Stanford sets a tone that rings with parents of the true student athlete wrestler like Crookham & Stanich. These kids want more than a 4 year wrestling career but want a solid educational experience.

That is a competitive edge with selected recruits. Branding & Marketing is powerful. The Hotel Bethlehem is not really the #1 Best Historic Hotel when you look at our competition but we win every year because of branding & marketing.
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Re: Transfer portal

Post by martinsilvestri » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:35 am

Are these types of funds (NIL collective, LVWC etc) able to be designated to men's wrestling, or will resources like this be halved going forward and split between men's and women's wrestling?
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Re: Transfer portal

Post by HFO » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:55 am

Go after Kyle Parco at 149/157 or not worth it? :lol:
Is #3 guy good enough or should we see how the room develops?
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Re: Transfer portal

Post by Justafan » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:10 am

HFO wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:55 am Go after Kyle Parco at 149/157 or not worth it? :lol:
Is #3 guy good enough or should we see how the room develops?
Do we offer a Masters Degree in Kinesiology?
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