Reduce COVID impact - go DII or DIII

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Re: Reduce COVID impact - go DII or DIII

Post by Sundayamqb » Sat May 23, 2020 1:21 am

van wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 8:15 am
Sundayamqb wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:31 pm
van wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 2:53 pm
"Sonny, for just over $60K a year you could be a DII football star"
Why not look at DIII -- no athletic scholarships, but you start focusing on giving money university-wide to ACADEMIC stars, those who show exemplary leadership and other non-athletic merit (combined with need). Why can't Lehigh become a Carnegie-Mellon or Amherst academically? Someone else would need to do the math on this, but in DIII you shouldn't need 75 players getting a full "athletic" ride.
a bit naive, we join the MAC or Centennial conference, give only need based scholarships, maybe recruit enough quality players to be competitive with say 55 equivalencies, save a little money based on 9 game season and shorter travel and get to rub elbows with Del Valley, Wilkes, Gettysburg, F&M, Moravian, etc, return to the 60's
DIII schools are giving various kinds of "merit" money based on academic prowess and other off-the-field leadership skills. Some schools give $ to recruits from diverse locations (think the South). Throw in need-based aid -- Lehigh was competitive in FCS/IAA before athletic scholarships -- and you might have decent packages.

Meantime, maybe it would encourage Lehigh to find a way to cap the outlandish tuition/expenses students face.

Somehow nearby Muhlenberg -- a private college with a hefty price tag -- last year found a way to get enough studs to go 13-1 in DIII football and play four games in the NCAA playoffs. The Mules beat Moravian, 52-7.


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Re: Reduce COVID impact - go DII or DIII

Post by van » Sat May 23, 2020 7:56 am

yeah, we should strive to be like Muhlenberg
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Post by TMH » Sat May 23, 2020 11:56 am

That will not happen in my lifetime. Lehigh's futuristic model is to grow the reputation we have along the Northeast corridor nationally and internationally, not get smaller. BTW, I am with Rich in that we need to create our own identity rather then emulate every thing the Ivies do.

As to athletics:
I still remember an article written decades ago by the President of Texas A & M who was lamenting the fact that they just had an unveiling of a major addition to their biology department and it got Page 17 coverage in their local newspaper. During the same weekend, their football team beat Texas and it was the banner headline on the sports page of the New York Times.

Yes, the win over Duke was lightening in a bottle but it's value was priceless. As we all remember "lehigh" was the most googled word on the internet for 36 hours. Applications rose significantly the next year andeven though it leveled off over the next few years, it became far easier for Lehigh to make inroads nationally. Coaches in other sports all told me, it opened doors for them for them too. CJ never even heard of Lehigh until we recruited him. Canton, OH and much of the rest of the state knew of CJ though and his decision to come here began putting us on the map.
Patriot League/EIWA Championships should be our immediate goal because besides bragging rights, it is the gateway to the Div 1 NCAA tournaments and even in defeat provides Lehigh with a lot of exposure. Yet we have had other successes. I still remember making it to the Sweet 16 in Men's soccer. We've had I believe 4 Track/CC athletes earn All-American status in the last decade. Chick and Gaffney were among a host of Lax players earning similar honors. Softball beat Texas A & M not once but twice in the same NCAA Tournament and of course wrestling has done Lehigh proud.
All of this is a draw to bring the best student-athletes to Lehigh. Those who can excel in mutiple areas at the same time are probably best equipped to tackle the real world when they graduate.
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Re: Reduce COVID impact - go DII or DIII

Post by RichH » Sat May 23, 2020 1:03 pm

TMH wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:56 am
That will not happen in my lifetime. Lehigh's futuristic model is to grow the reputation we have along the Northeast corridor nationally and internationally, not get smaller. BTW, I am with Rich in that we need to create our own identity rather then emulate every thing the Ivies do.

As to athletics:
I still remember an article written decades ago by the President of Texas A & M who was lamenting the fact that they just had an unveiling of a major addition to their biology department and it got Page 17 coverage in their local newspaper. During the same weekend, their football team beat Texas and it was the banner headline on the sports page of the New York Times.

Yes, the win over Duke was lightening in a bottle but it's value was priceless. As we all remember "lehigh" was the most googled word on the internet for 36 hours. Applications rose significantly the next year andeven though it leveled off over the next few years, it became far easier for Lehigh to make inroads nationally. Coaches in other sports all told me, it opened doors for them for them too. CJ never even heard of Lehigh until we recruited him. Canton, OH and much of the rest of the state knew of CJ though and his decision to come here began putting us on the map.
Patriot League/EIWA Championships should be our immediate goal because besides bragging rights, it is the gateway to the Div 1 NCAA tournaments and even in defeat provides Lehigh with a lot of exposure. Yet we have had other successes. I still remember making it to the Sweet 16 in Men's soccer. We've had I believe 4 Track/CC athletes earn All-American status in the last decade. Chick and Gaffney were among a host of Lax players earning similar honors. Softball beat Texas A & M not once but twice in the same NCAA Tournament and of course wrestling has done Lehigh proud.
All of this is a draw to bring the best student-athletes to Lehigh. Those who can excel in mutiple areas at the same time are probably best equipped to tackle the real world when they graduate.
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